Thursday, August 9, 2012

My Thoughts on the Sexualization of the Church (and Other Problems)

Dear friends, 

We sat in a living room, about twenty men and women in our home group "Bible" study, and I squirmed. This was a first for me. Apparently it was a tradition in our church for the married couples to talk about sex every February in honor of Valentine's Day. The icebreaker this time: "Other than the bedroom, where do you like to do it?"  Huh? Is this conversation for mixed company? Years later, a friend told me about neighbors they had invited to our home group that evening. Who. Never. Came. Back. To. The. Church. Good for them. I endured at least two or three more of these evenings in various permutations over the eight years we were members of that church. I boycotted a few too, and toward the end our time there I think they were being discontinued, at least in our group. 


One of those evenings left me in tears. Seriously. I had already asked the new group leader to reconsider this kind of discussion, or at least to split up the men and women in separate rooms. He promised to keep it discreet. Sure, we didn't talk about "where we would do it" or anything graphic at all. But still, due to the sensitive and private nature of the discussion, I fled the room fairly early on and bawled my eyes out in the bathroom. I didn't come out until nearly everyone had left and I could wipe my tears and eat a few chocolate chip cookies in peace. Why did the discussion trigger me like that? I don't know fully, but the inklings I have are not ones I'd want to discuss on-line. (For the record I do not have any sexual "issues" -- not that it matters. I just don't want you to read anything into this post that's not there.) On the bright side, I did write a poem out of that traumatic home group experience though: Do Cry.


There were other cringe-worthy sex-related discussions in that church, some in home groups, some in women's meetings, some in other settings. Like all of the (IMHO invasive, suspicious, accusatory) questions you can ask your husband to keep him from straying with the cute chick across the church aisle. Ugh. I know they were trying to stem the tide of adultery in the church, but that was over the top. At least for me. We left two years ago and I know I left a piece of my heart behind because I love the people there even if the atmosphere was driving me crazy. But that is just part of my more complicated story there and anyway my story is just a small part of what I wanted to write today.


I write because I am concerned about the increasing sexualization of the church -- AND -- the increase of sexual abuse and troubled marriages within the church. I type with much trepidation. Frankly, I don't like to think about this subject in depth, much less write about it. But I know God gave me a voice to speak up and speak out and maybe it will make a difference for someone.  Now is the time.


So. Sex and the church. I know, I know. Churches face declining membership, and some of them are looking for ways to boost attendance. Sex sells. Piques interest. Fills the pews. (Yeah, with babies, too.) But in my opinion, sex talk doesn't belong in the pulpit, except in the most discreet of ways.


That said, what are several ways that church leaders can serve their congregations related to sexuality?


Take a long hard look at how sex and modesty are talked about in the church community. Don't sensationalize sex. And don't let someone who doesn't know what they are talking about get up and spout off about it in a public meeting. Let's stick to the spirit of what the Bible says. If a couple has specific sexual problems, they can find a good therapist, or one or both of them can seek out advice from a trusted friend of the same gender. Or they can read a decent Christian book about the subject.



Two pastors who I think have done it wrong:
  • Mark Driscoll, the Seattle pastor who routinely discusses sex from the pulpit in crass and graphic terms, who reportedly has prophetic (cough, pornographic) visions of the sexual misconducts of his congregants, and who has, in my opinion, horrible attitudes toward the female gender -- see my article linked below. 
  • Ed Young, Jr., who camped out with this wife on a huge bed on the roof of his church last year to promote their book about sex, titled, unsurprisingly, Sexperiment. Yeah, they really did call their publicity stunt a "Bed In"! They were going to stay up there for 24 hours, but called it off a bit early because of too much exposure. From the sun, not the media, that is. See Pastors with Sexpertise
It is also a new fad to liken the intimacy of our relationship with God to sexual intercourse, such as in the troubling blog post, Sex in the Shadowlands, by Mary Kassian of the Council of Biblical Manhood and Womanhood. Retha wrote a good response here: Gospel Sex?

On a related topic, watch how you talk about the topic of modesty. It is certainly an issue that can be discussed discretely among both genders separately, but it needs to be done right. Over-emphasis on a woman's responsibility to dress modestly objectifies and depersonalizes her, glosses over a man's responsibility for self-control by blaming the woman, and can cause a whole lot of uptight and neurotic harm for both genders.  See my recent article with links: Between the Burqa and the Bikini: A Call to Moderate Modesty.

Be sensitively aware of those in the church who have deep wounds from either sexual abuse or their own poor sexual choices. Most pastors do not have the professional expertise to deal with the more serious cases. Set your ecclesiastical pride aside and be prepared to refer your members to a qualified Christian therapist rather than trying to serve them "in house." If necessary, offer to pay for their counseling. Also, don't present sexual sin as something that is unforgivable or that makes you a second class citizen. Sexual purity is a good thing and we should guard it, but that's not what determines our worth. Christ redeems, renews, and washes us clean. People mess up big time, even Christian people, but should shame be what drives them away from the church?   Mercy triumphs over judgment. The same goes for people who are dealing with same sex attraction. You may not agree with the lifestyle, but the people behind it (some of them hurting deeply already) should find compassionate understanding and wisdom in the church.

Reevaluate what you think and say about gender and authority in families. I believe that many times sexual issues in a marriage are not caused by technique or by past history, but by poor communication and expectations related to "traditional" gender roles. And I think one of the main culprits in this is teaching in the church that can be construed to promote male dominance in the name of leadership. For example, take a husband who demands submission or acts aggressively toward his family instead of truly leading and protecting with humility and gentleness. His wife may be able to perform outwardly to try and pacify her husband -- and he might not even know the difference -- but heart level intimacy will be nearly impossible. Power struggles do not play well in the bedroom at any level. At the extreme, marital rape and BDSM behaviors are completely unacceptable. Even at the relatively minimal level, pervasive gender-based disrespect, domineering attempts at control, and verbal humiliation are also completely unacceptable.  

Churches, please teach equal partnership and mutual submission! 

If you know of a case of domestic violence or intimidation in your congregation, you need to stand by that dear woman and not just tell her to go back to her husband while merely praying for him and trying harder to submit sweetly! Give her courage, confront her abuser if it is safe to do so, follow up long-term and help her continue to stand firm, and as necessary, help her and the children get out of there! If you have to educate yourself about domestic violence ahead of time, do it, because you can't afford to be caught unprepared.

Read about domestic violence on this Watch the Shepherd blog series: Domestic Violence.

     Read these links on other sites:
Put an end to pedophilia by church attenders.  Three ways: 1. Keep children safe in nurseries, Sunday Schools and camp settings. There are ways to do this, including setting up strict procedures for who has access to children and making sure children are never alone with one adult. Read here: Child Sexual Abuse Prevention for Faith Communities2. Notify members when anyone with a history of pedophilia or sexual predation starts attending the church. Yes, we should minister to them (perhaps off-site?), while making sure they continue with professional therapy. BUT! We should not ever compromise the safety of the children. AND! 3. If you learn of a case of child molestation in your congregation, whether it was in a church function or in a family or other setting, you must (must! must!) alert proper government authorities and cooperate fully! You are not qualified to deal with this within the church. It needs a proper criminal investigation AND professional counseling for the victim. Your top priority is the safety and healing of the victim, not the reputation of the alleged perpetrator. And if you are really all that concerned about your reputation, keep in mind that in this digital age, if you screw up a child molestation case, your church will be forever tarnished when it finally comes to light. Deal with it right, and you'll stand a chance at real respect in the community. Prevent it from happening in the first place, and you will all be better off. I won't even start linking to all of the news stories on child molestation among church communities because I'd seriously be here all day, but here are two blog articles from The Wartburg Watch that have plenty of embedded links:

Implement zero tolerance for sexual compromise by leaders, especially the abuse of pastoral "authority" in counseling situations.  Again, strict procedures will be a big help here, such as in the area of practical safeguards in counseling settings and youth ministry. Pastoral indiscretions need to be brought into the light, not shoved under the rug, and are grounds for immediate dismissal with no promise of reinstatement. Jack Schaap, an Independent Fundamental Baptist megachurch pastor in Indiana, was fired last week because of his alleged (and admitted) affair with a 16 year old girl who had come to him for counseling about sexual abuse.  See: IFB Megapastor Jack Schaap Fired for ‘Improper Relationship’ with a Teen and Ousted Pastor Jack Schaap’s Misogynistic FlapI'm glad his church is taking swift and decisive action on this case, because it and the associated Hyles-Anderson College have decades of serious sexual scandal among leadership, as do many other IFB churches.  These Schaap links could just as well belong in two of the previous categories: pedophilia and gender teaching. The guy is seriously whacked. He vehemently stated it will be a cold day in hell before he gets his theology from a woman. Yet the Sunday before his ouster, he had preached a fiery sermon about teen promiscuity and admonished parents to send their adolescent girls to him for counseling. So much for his sound theology, at least as he practices it. It would be a cold day in hell before I ever let one of my girls near him. (Note in March 2013: Jack Schaap was just sentenced to 12 years in prison.  Not nearly long enough!)  

If you think I am exaggerating the problems of sexual abuse in religious organizations, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I just don't have time to dig up all of the other links about sexual scandals that I have read in the past year alone. Think Tony Alamo, or some of the "Christian" reform homes for wayward girls, or the Catholic priest molesting altar boy cover-up scandals or the missionary boarding schools or even Warren Jeffs and the FLDS. Yeah. It's out there. It's ugly. If you have been sexually abused by a pastor or other spiritual leader, please visit the Tamar's Voice web site.

[Note: After I wrote this post, I wrote another called Abuse Thrives in a Culture of Shame and Silence.  Please read!]

Wow. Deep breath.

That just took it out of me.

Dear sweet sisters, write me if you want to talk. I'm here. 

Dear sweet Jesus, have mercy on us all.

"May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit." Romans 15:13

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God." Philippians 1:9-11

Grace and peace,

Virginia Knowles

P.S. For those of you who don't click links, the poem:


"Do Cry"by Virginia Knowles

Do cry
There is no shame
When teardrops fall as healing rain
Our Comforter who sees and knows
Collects them all in his bottle.
Do they mingle there with ancient tears of long ago?
Or far-flung ones around the globe?
I do not know, nor do I always know why I cry
Just that there is a deep welling up inside
Or perhaps a thorn prick of conscience
Or an oozing scrape of disappointment
Or a dagger thrust of insult
Or even the gashing grief of death
As blood flows, so do tears
But they are wiped away
By One who also binds up wounds.

Do cry
But not from indulgent self-pity
Or twisting others to comply
Cry to wash the soul
Turn the heart with fresh resolve
A firmness born from tenderness
Cry for justice, mercy
Mourn for suffering that is not your own
To hear the groans and seek to console
With the comfort you yourself have received
There is a blessing in brokenness
Do cry: then go on in love and joy and peace.


More here: Do Cry 

Monday, June 4, 2012

Gleaning Encouragement from Scriptures in Times of Disillusionment


Dear friends,

I am trying to dig into the Bible more consistently and more deeply, so I wrote out a little plan of what I would study this week. It's not because I have to, like I am proving something by checking it off, but because I want to do it and I know it will bring life.   Now that it's summer, I have a little more time to study, so I am pondering a little from the New Testament, a Psalm, a chapter of Proverbs, and some Old Testament history. Throughout the Scriptures, he meets us where we are. Here are a few of my thoughts gleaned from this morning's readings, especially for those who may be feeling disillusioned with their spiritual experiences.  

Luke 24:1-8

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’” Then they remembered his words.

The women had just experienced a huge loss. Their hopes for the Kingdom of God had been dashed with the death of their messiah Jesus. And yet they had prepared spices to anoint his dead body. They were loyal friends to him even in their disappointment, even though he hadn't done what they had come to expect of him. (I wonder, "What spices can I offer to him out of the ashes of my disillusionment?") Yet, on stepping out in love in the face of death, they meet LIFE instead!  "He is risen!  Remember what he told you?" I must remember his words, too, by studying the Scriptures.

Psalm 4

Answer me when I call to you, O my righteous God.
Give me relief from my distress; be merciful to me and hear my prayer.
How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame?
    How long will you love delusions and seek false gods? 
Selah
Know that the 
Lord has set apart the godly for himself;
    the 
Lord will hear when I call to him.
In your anger do not sin;
    when you are on your beds, search your hearts and be silent. Selah
Offer right sacrifices and trust in the Lord.
Many are asking, “Who can show us any good?”
    Let the light of your face shine upon us, O Lord.
You have filled my heart with greater joy
    than when their grain and new wine abound.
I will lie down and sleep in peace,
    for you alone, O Lord, make me dwell in safety.

When we are disillusioned with other Christians, with delusional concepts that we had believed about God and the church, with false teaching that has brought a sense of shame, it is easy to question, "Who can show us any good?" Yet we pray, "Let the light of your face shine upon us, O Lord." What claimed to be light wasn't always light. We want true light, the light of his face. We want to live in his joy and peace and glory, not sinning back against those who have hurt us, but trusting him and doing the right thing no matter what someone else is doing.


Proverbs 4 (selected passages)

Get wisdom, get understanding; do not forget my words or swerve from them.
Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you; love her, and she will watch over you.
Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. 
Though it cost all you have, get understanding.
Esteem her, and she will exalt you; embrace her, and she will honor you.
She will set a garland of grace on your head and present you with a crown of splendor. 

Hold on to instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life.
Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evil men.
Avoid it, do not travel on it; turn from it and go on your way.
For they cannot sleep till they do evil; 
they are robbed of slumber till they make someone fall.
They eat the bread of wickedness and drink the wine of violence.
The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, 
shining ever brighter till the full light of day.
Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life. 
Put away perversity from your mouth; keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
Let your eyes look straight ahead, fix your gaze directly before you.
Make level paths for your feet and take only ways that are firm.
Do not swerve to the right or the left; keep your foot from evil.

Many people who have been burned by churches or Christian organizations are especially vulnerable to "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" and giving up on Biblical truth because it has been so misrepresented. They either quit trying to figure it out at all, or they turn to other belief systems that prey on their angst with what they have experienced so far in  Christianity. Yet this is the time to be especially discerning, and really turn back to the Scriptures to find the truth.This is not the time to dabble with unbiblical doctrines or to cut loose with the morals. This is the time to watch out even more over our beliefs and our practices.  Wisdom is what feeds your heart, and your heart is the wellspring of your life.  Guard them well.

1 Kings 19

This passage is too long to include here, but I encourage you to read it: 1 Kings 19.  Here is a brief summary with a few extra comments...

In the previous chapter, Elijah just won a showdown with the evil king Ahab when God sent the fire down to consume the sacrifice and the altar, showing who was the true God to the followers of Baal.This is the spiritual mountaintop, a spiritual victory.  Yet now that Queen Jezebel is threatening to kill him, Elijah runs for his life, sits down under a broom tree and prays to die. Wow! What a crash landing! Isn't it true that sometimes our deepest depression and despair comes right after we have worn ourselves out with serving God? Or when we are being challenged even more by our enemies and we forget how God has already shown himself powerful in our defense? Physical and emotional fatigue and or a big confrontation can really sap us dry. In his depletion, Elijah slept. He needed rest. When he woke up, an angel came and brought him food and water, telling him that he needed it for the journey. No big sermon, just practical help to strengthen him for what was to come, which was a forty day journey to Horeb, the mountain of God. When Elijah gets there and spends the night in a cave, God asks him what he is doing there.  Elijah replies that he has been zealous, but that he's the only prophet left.  He keenly feels the isolation, and he's throwing a pity party for "me, myself and I" since no one else was there. The Lord said, "Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of God, for the LORD is about to pass by." A powerful wind and earthquake and fire all came, but God wasn't in those.  Instead, he came in the the gentle whisper. Isn't that true? Sometimes we are looking to the spectacular for the presence of God. We run after the miracles, after the celebrity preachers and the big conferences, after the dramatic experiences. Yet sometimes he comes to us in a quiet word when we are all alone. That's when he lets us know that we really aren't alone, that God is there, and that there are other authentic believers to partner with us in fellowship and ministry. God told Elijah that he had reserved 7,000 faithful prophets. He also commissioned Elijah to anoint two kings and a prophet to succeed him. He still had work to do! And now he was going to get a much needed helper, Elisha! Be still and know that he is God. Listen to his quiet voice. I think there is much to learn from this passage to help us keep going when we are worn out and facing opposition.

I hope these thoughts have been encouraging to you.

What is God teaching you from the Bible?

Blessings,

Virginia Knowles

Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Recovering, Still...

Dear friends,


Spiritual abuse is in the headlines again with ABC News covering a case in Oregon where a blogger, her family, and a few friends are being sued for half a million dollars by their former pastor.  I can certainly relate to Julie Anne, who had already contacted me a while back to ask if she could link to this blog after finding it via Wartburg Watch.  My question now: "Just when will abusive pastors finally learn that they cannot bully members into silence over legitimate concerns?"  Blech.


Anyway, I was thinking this morning about all I have read and experienced about recovering from a negative religious experience such as authoritarian abuse with a church,  other Christian organization/movement or even a family, I'm including a bunch of links below about what other people have observed, but first a few things that helped me transition out of a less-than-ideal-for-me church situation.


First, I took the time (actually a few years) to think through what was really bothering me, to try to evaluate it according to what I knew from more than 30 years of studying the Bible, to read as much as I could from a wide variety of trusted sources to confirm what I was thinking, and to get advice from wise friends and counselors.  A professional Christian counselor, Roger Shepherd of Florida Counseling Foundation, has been extremely helpful even since before we left our last church.  He has had personal experience with abusive Christian organizations and families and has counseled other people in my kind of situation.  (One of the key things he told me is that forgiving someone does not mean that you need to ever trust them again.  Trust is earned back over time or maybe even not at all.  It should not be granted automatically.) Since that time, I have continued to research about spiritual abuse and recovery, as well as explore what it is that I really believe about grace, the nature of the Christian life, authority, family dynamics, social issues, and more.  I still talk to supportive friends, many of whom have been in my shoes in some way. 


Next, since I highly value being in a church setting and didn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater by rejecting "organized religion", I spent the time to research what I wanted in a new church.   (I was the one in my family to do this, since I was the most motivated and the most computer savvy, but I communicated regularly with my husband about what I was finding.) Over a period of months before we moved on, I asked around, surfed the web, and listened to sermons on-line. I made a short list of churches that our family might consider and talked to my husband and children about the options.  We had to think about priorities.  For example, mode of baptism was not as important as the polity (church government) and the leadership atmosphere.  A smaller size was more important to one of my teens than a super fancy youth ministry.  A genuine warm welcome (not "love bombing") was more important to me than whether the church owned its own building.  When I found a potential church that looked especially good, I called a friend who had attended there for a few years and grilled her for about an hour. :-)  It took us a few more months after that to visit our mellow little PCA church the first time, but we've been there for a year and a half.   The pastors, elders and other members have been extremely supportive in light of our prior church experience. It has been a safe place where I can breathe and recover.


I have attempted to stay on good terms with our friends and pastors from our former church.  Yes, this has been a little bit of a challenge because of what I have written on this blog and my main blog, but I am pleased to say that only a few people told me to bug off, and those who were truly my friends are still my friends.  I know some folks have been shunned by members of their former churches, but that really hasn't been an issue for us.  (Maybe because so many people left at the same time, it was harder to write all of us off at once, especially since many who left had been there over 20 years and were "pillars of the church.")  I also stopped to think (and write about) what I appreciated about our former church, and to be thankful for the good things I learned and experienced there for eight years. 


Another key thing has been giving myself permission to handle this transition at my own pace without expecting too much.  It certainly wasn't over the minute we stepped into our new church, and frankly, not all of my issues were even caused by our old church in the first place.  From what I've read on web sites about spiritual abuse, these kinds of situations can trigger PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder), with the associated depression, anxiety, anger, apathy, disillusionment, distrust, relational conflict, and spiritual doubt.  I have experienced all of these, every single one of them.  It can be a complicated tangle that takes time to sort out.  Some people never want to set foot in church again.  Some leave the faith entirely.  That is not my case, but there are some phrases, songs, subconscious impressions, and even Bible passages that give me a spiritually allergic sensation and make me recoil.  I ask myself, "Why am I reacting like this?" and try not to let negative associations ruin otherwise good things.  It is especially comforting to know that God is big enough and loving enough to handle my angst.  (I certainly relate to David's angsty laments in the Psalms!)  I find that I am much less "put together" than I thought I was before, but I've also learned to be OK with that. I have the freedom to live outside the box of other people's expectations of what it looks like to be godly, like home schooling every single one of my kids.  I give myself credit that I haven't bolted from the Christian faith, and even if I don't always know which end is which or what I want to be when I grow up, at least I'm still here!


Journaling is also important to me.  Writing it out clarifies some of the issues, and helps me to go back later and reconsider what I had been thinking before.  Sometimes I see a little bit of progress from then until now, and other times I have to go back and reclaim some of that progress that seems to have slipped.  For me, journaling is a private matter.  No one has permission to read them.  It has to be a safe place to let it all out without the fear of having to explain it to someone who might misinterpret what I'm saying.  I also journal as I read the Bible, summarizing what I read and how it applies to me at the moment, right where I am.  Psalms, the Gospels and other narratives, and the book of Ephesians have all been very refreshing to my soul.  Journaling is also a form of prayer for now.  Extended prayer during my "quiet time" is still a hard thing for me.  Other than writing, it is more stream of consciousness prayer for now, thinking Godward as I go through the day.  Often it is just "Lord, have mercy" or "Sweet Jesus, help me."  Blogging is obviously more public than my journaling, but it is a huge help, too.  I have always said, "I write to stay sane" and that is more true than ever. :-)  Most of my blogging is not about spiritual abuse but observations about daily life.  Take a peek at www.VirginiaKnowles.blogspot.com and www.ComeWearyMoms.blogspot.com.  You might especially like to read Knowing She Hath Wings.


One more restorative gift is appreciating the beauty of nature that reminds me that God is a Magnificent Creator.  Clouds, flowers, tree trunks, sunrises -- all powerful for building trust in the goodness and power of God!


What about you?  What has helped you recover?  What didn't?


This list of links can also be found on my Links page, along with a bunch of others on specific organizations, family abuse, patriarchy, and home schooling. Please note that I do not endorse everything you will find at these sites.  I trust you will use your own God-given discernment.


Recognizing and Recovering from Abuse or Legalism

Spiritual Abuse Recovery Resources http://www.spiritualabuse.com/  This site by Jeff VanVonderen (author of The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse and Soul Repair) is full of articles and links to other sites.


What is Spiritual Abuse? http://www.spiritualabuse.org/introduction.html (site is mainly addresses United Pentecostal Church abuses, but this page is good general info and includes a video interview with Stephen Arterburn about Toxic Faith: Surviving Spiritual Abuse)

Church Abuse http://www.churchabuse.com/ -- another good general site with plenty of links and articles

Spiritual Issues in Recovery 
http://www.geftakysassembly.com/Reflections/Recovery.htm (this site addresses the implosion of the Geftaky Assemblies, but has a lot of valuable information for spiritual abuse recognition and recovery)

Emerging from Broken: http://emergingfrombroken.com/

Ill-Legalism: http://ill-legalism.com/

Beauty n Mess: http://beautynmess.blogspot.com/ (by a former SGM member)


Tuesday, March 20, 2012

Why I'm NOT a Fan of Mark Driscoll, Real Marriage, Mars Hill, Acts 29

Note in October 2014: You might like to read this news article with an update: Mark Driscoll has resigned from Mars Hill Church.  Since I wrote this blog post this in 2012, I've had well over 11,000 page views. This is astounding for such a small time blog. It is the single most visited post here, largely due to Google searches.  Many thanks, also, to Relevant Magazine for putting an embedded link in their article What Mark Driscoll Teaches Us About Grace and Accountability. So much has happened with Driscoll since I wrote the original post, and I can't even begin to keep up with it all. In March, World Magazine reported that Mars Hill paid the ResultSource firm over $200,000 of church money to manipulate sales statistics so that his Real Marriage would appear on the Best Sellers list. This is considered to be very unethical behavior. See here: Unreal Sales for Driscoll's Real Marriage.  During the summer, the Acts 29 church group removed Mars Hill from its membership and called on Driscoll to step down. Pastors at his own church filed ecclesiastical (in church) charges against him, and after a six weeks of stepping away from the pulpit, he resigned. That's the barest scoop. Fortunately, the ladies at Wartburg Watch keep their eye on him and link to other blogs that do the same. You can read their series of posts here: Mark Driscoll at Wartburg Watch.

While you're here, please take a peek at a related post, Wisdom Through the Church?  Feel free to look at my other blogs linked in the side bar, too.  One other article that seems to be quite relevant is one I wrote in November 2013, Vision Forum and Friends: Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus.

I'd love to know your thoughts, so please leave a comment!


Now on to the original post!


Dear friends,


If you have read much of this site, you know I have had some experience with what I would consider to be an unhealthy church organization. Unfortunately, that organization is not alone in its troubles. Mark Driscoll is lead pastor of Mars Hill Church and president of the Acts 29 church planting network. [Update: Since I first posted this 10 days ago, he stepped down from leading Acts 29 and is handing over the reins to Matt Chandler.  See  A Note on Some Transitions. He is also resigning from leadership in The Gospel Coalition. See Driscoll Steps Down from TGC Council.] Driscoll has been in the news (including major secular media outlets) with the recent release of Real Marriage, the book he wrote with this wife Grace, which I do not intend to read. Unfortunately, he has also been facing serious allegations of spiritual abuse for many years.


I first heard of Mark Driscoll either because I saw his books in our former church's bookstore, or because a friend who knew I was researching problems in the Emerging Church movement, sent me a link to an insightful audio that Mr. Driscoll had produced on that subject. My first impressions of Driscoll were favorable, based on that limited exposure. Because of this, when I heard that he had released a free e-book for dads, I downloaded it to pass along to my husband. Browsing through it, I was extremely disheartened (actually rather disgusted) by his attitude toward women. Here is one of the offensive excerpts from Driscoll:

"Proverbs 19:13 further stresses the correlation between the type of mother you choose for your children and the kind of children you will have, saying, “A foolish son is ruin to his father, and a wife’s quarreling is a continual dripping of rain.” These two miseries simply go together. If a wife is a nag who disrespects her husband by chirping at him all the time, then the children in that home will follow her example and become fools who ruin their lives by similarly disobeying and dishonoring their dad. Wicked women not only fail to restrain their tongues in front of their children, but often intentionally attack their husbands in an effort to get their children’s allegiance, undermine the authority of their father, and bring anarchy to the home. Proverbs rightly calls this rottenness in the bones.... Whose responsibility is it? Ultimately, it is men who are responsible because they chose their wives, they let them continue in sin, and they let them destroy their children."
Dude!  So let me get this straight... If a wife is expressing her discontent to her husband in ways that are unpleasant to him, then the real problem is that she is a wicked woman and he has not corrected her firmly enough? Excuse me? Try again? How about this: if the wife is upset with her husband, he might have a really good reason to ask her what he has done wrong? Maybe he has been crass, demanding, unreasonable, obnoxious, and/or verbally & physically abusive? Or maybe there has been some sort of misunderstanding? Or maybe she has been cooped up with a bunch of noisy, messy kids all day, and she's losing her cool? (And then maybe he came home, took one look around, and asked what she had been doing all day?) But oh no! She's a wicked fool and needs her Knight in Shining Armor (whom she obviously does not deserve) to set her straight. I guess hubby better get some tips from Driscoll on taming his shrew. Oy. Unfortunately this is not just an isolated sound bit pulled out of context. It gets worse, much worse, the more I read on-line about other things he has said.   (Later note: You might like to read my related articles If You Expect Real Respect and Follow the Way of Love.)

Not surprisingly, my new impressions of Driscoll's ministry were quickly confirmed as I started to see a plethora of commentary about this very thing on-line, along with the accusations of spiritual abuse at Mars Hill. Much of it echoes the very same things that have happened in our former church organization, including dysfunctional church polity (government), authoritarian leadership, lack of accountability for top leadership, church discipline gone amuck, an overly intense focus on sin, misogynistic views of women, and much more. Oh, and the way Driscoll entirely dismisses preachers in Great Britain with: 

"Let’s just say this ... right now, name for me the one young, good Bible teacher that's known across Great Britain. You don’t have one – that is a problem. There's a bunch of cowards who aren’t telling the truth. You don't have one. You don't have one young guy who can preach the Bible that anybody's listening to on the whole earth."  

Then, too, with the release of his new book, there is a renewed concern about his graphic teachings on sex, and on his rough language in the pulpit.   (Later note: I wrote a post of My Thoughts on the Sexualization of the Church and Other Problems).

Needless to say, when it came time to look for a new church two years ago, I made a point to stay away from the Acts 29 churches in our area. I am seriously not amused.


Rather than me laying it all out from my limited perspective or even hunting up all of the Mark Driscoll quotes that make me shudder, I thought I would provide you with about two dozen web links that I have discovered in the past few years. I hope that this will be helpful to you, even if you don't read his books or participate in his ministry. It is a cautionary tale for Christendom. It's not just SGM or the IFB or Mars Hill, folks. Watch where you go and whom you allow to influence you!


Please note that I am giving you these links to use with your own God-given discretion. 


I do not agree with everything you will find at these sites.


Mark Driscoll and Mars Hill




Real Marriage Reviews and Media Appearances 
(Some favorable, some not, some mixed...)


  • Mark Driscoll’s Sex Manual ‘Real Marriage’ Scandalizes Evangelicals
  • Q & A: Mark and Grace Driscoll on Sex for the 21st-Century Christian at Christianity Today
  • Mark Driscoll on Piers Morgan – Interview Transcript
  • Review at Parchment and Pen (Credo House) mixed reaction
  • Review by Andy and Wendy Alsup at Practical Theology for Women  This review has positive and negative things to say about the book, and contains a lot of background info on the Mars Hill situation, as well as a call for Driscoll to repent.  One quote: "In Real Marriage, Mark acknowledges a past problem with pride, but he remains blind to his self-centered view of the church, the extent of his disqualifying anger problem, the true root causes of both in his life, and the long term effects that both have on those around him. When you can flippantly write off 1000 members in your church, including elders, deacons, and community group leaders, because (as he explains it) you're burnt out based on long standing bitterness and sexual frustration with your wife stemming from a sexual encounter when she was a teenager 19 years before—well, wow, I'm at a loss for exactly how to address that."
  • Review by Tim Challies  Excerpt: "Noticeably absent in this section is a firm and robust gospel grounding for marriage. Ephesians 5 is referenced only in passing; the marriage relationship as a mystery, a picture of Christ’s relationship to the church, is never clearly offered as the big picture or ultimate purpose of marriage. That gospel foundation is utterly, absolutely critical to an understanding of marriage and it is missing from Real Marriage. This is a tragic oversight. And I say “tragic” because the biblical understanding of marriage influences everything else—everything they discuss from chapter one to chapter eleven..... Mark’s abuse of The Song of Solomon has been widely noted and discussed, but he continues to treat it as a graphic sex manual. To treat it this way is to utterly miss the point."
  • Purity balls, Christian princess syndrome, and “mom” haircuts: evangelicalism’s mixed messages for women by Karen Campbell at www.thatmom.com.  An excerpt: "Recently reading excerpts from Mark Driscoll’s latest book along with seeing some of his teaching videos has left me feeling the need to retreat into a safe place and take a bubble bath for my very soul."
  • Mark Driscoll's 'Real Marriage' Draws Controversy for 'Invasive' Sex Talk  Excerpt of review: "This chapter has the potential to wreak havoc in such marriages where one spouse will feel a whole range of taboos to be 'permissible' if he can convince his spouse to participate," said Burk. "This to me seems like a recipe for marital disaster, and I do not think the Driscolls' requirement of 'helpfulness' mitigates the difficulty."
So there you go. Google for more.

Virginia Knowles

For those of you who missed them, here are the links to my own related articles that I mentioned in this post.